much further, or there will be an awful lot of people heading toward the exit if it keeps going. liz: unbelievable. it looks pretty choppy, but does not look good, there is less fear in the certainty. great to see all of you, thank you for joining us and a pretty interesting day. ge, wal-mart, the giants of u.s. business down with president obama to discuss the fiscal cliff. i keep thinking if we got 10 business people in a room we could solve this thing. >> and he has 12 business people in the room. american express, dow chemical, general electric, all different perspectives you got, but some people are pointing out some of the absentee, wall street in particular. essentially saying to continue conversations with wall street executives.